[Serious Phil] Wittgenstein Slides

[SWM]

There's no helping anything in this case, Sean. Better to shoot the horse and put it out of its misery than to try nursing it along. Walter's a spiteful guy who has no interest in being anything else. If this were my site, I'd send him packing but since it's not, all I can do is advise. If you want a site that's about nothing but vitriol, keep him and his pals around. But you may notice how more serious folk have tended to shut up with the coming out of Walter & co., rather like it was on Analytic now that I think about it! -- SWM


--- In Phil-Sci-Mind at yahoogroups.com, "seanwilsonorg" <ludwig.sean at ...> wrote:
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> 1. we are still trying to help Walter, Stuart. Some, like Peter, are forever lost. But every now and then, we try to see if Walter can come around the bend. Like checking a man's tonsils. We gave him English today.
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> 2. You are right that today has been a "silly day." But it is fun, occasionally, no? 
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> --- In Phil-Sci-Mind at yahoogroups.com, "SWM" <Philscimind@> wrote:
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> > Just got back Sean (spent the day working out with some martial arts buddies uptown -- kind of fun, at my age, actually, to see what I can still manage to do -- and still come out in one piece, albeit a bit sore!). In skimming the messages looking for a place to jump back in all I could find is this recent exchange with Mr. Pickle (as in the sour kind). I really have to ask: Why do you even bother with this kind of stuff? Walter's obviously got a bug up his you know what and likes to take potshots at you (and others when the mood hits him), but his stuff is largely juvenile crap. It doesn't speak well of him, especially since he complains about this site but is one of the mainstays of the negativity and low level name calling that goes on here. In fact, he is one of those who has brought that mentality from Analytic. So if it doesen't speak well of him, can it possibly speak well of those of us who choose to engage with him?
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> > Of course, I made that choice a while back but didn't plan on anything lengthy with the fellow because I know where THAT always ends up. He's just looking to tweak you a bit so why cater to that? Let him go back to Analytic. Maybe he and his fellows will find something serious to talk about instead of hanging around here looking to be the local pests.
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> > When you coaxed me to start posting here I was rather hoping for more serious discussions and civil interlocutors but, because you insisted on making this a totally open site, we have ended up with pretty much the same cast of characters that made Analytic the great site it was. Surely you didn't expect it to be any different with the same players here, did you?
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> > Anyway, I'll cast around and see if there's anything worth responding to for now. I still owe Eray some feedback on his paper and I know I owe you a response on that other matter. Hope to get caught up this weekend.
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> > SWM
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> > --- In Phil-Sci-Mind at yahoogroups.com, "seanwilsonorg" <ludwig.sean@> wrote:
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> > > Right. Just like this:
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> > > http://books.google.com/books?id=aoFIAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA541&lpg=PA541&dq=%22for+want+of+failure%22&source=bl&ots=8BVQigfppi&sig=qAhuFPFBvfdyW6pul-UYctMtNCg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KR7RT9D9DobA2gWqw8yuDw&ved=0CEUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22for%20want%20of%20failure%22&f=false
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> > > --- In Phil-Sci-Mind at yahoogroups.com, "walto" <Philscimind@> wrote:
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> > > > Oh, for Christ sake. Talk about not admitting a mistake.  "For wont of a failure to ____" is just as ridiculous as "For want of a failure to _____"
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> > > > What a numnutz you are.
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> > > > W
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> > > > --- In Phil-Sci-Mind at yahoogroups.com, "seanwilsonorg" <ludwig.sean@> wrote:
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> > > > > ... firstly, they are not all the same. I only find literary value in one. Second, you saw them at that time as a child, and you simply have not made the investment now to see a different aspect sight. For what you do not understand is that, from about late 1967 through to about issue 99, that was indeed a graphic novel with literary value (Amazing Spiderman). 
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> > > > > Lastly, you assume that nostalgia is not worthy of adults -- or rather, you haven't thought of that (surprise, surprise).
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> > > > > And indeed, you are once again squarely wrong about my use of want over wont, as I clearly showed.
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> > > > > Now I must retreat from the silliness of these arbitrary noises and tend to my work. Anna Holt is here.
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> > > > > --- In Phil-Sci-Mind at yahoogroups.com, "walto" <Philscimind@> wrote:
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> > > > > > Incidentally, I had a subscription to Spiderman, the X-Men, and Dr. Strange (who has nothing on you), back in the 1960s, probably before you were born.  
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> > > > > > I outgrew them, you may someday as well.
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> > > > > > W
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> > > > > > --- In Phil-Sci-Mind at yahoogroups.com, "walto" <Philscimind@> wrote:
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> > > > > > > Oh, I'm very often wrong.  I have to stand it.
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> > > > > > > I happen not to be wrong this time, but so what?
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> > > > > > > W
> > > > > > > --- In Phil-Sci-Mind at yahoogroups.com, "seanwilsonorg" <ludwig.sean@> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > ...hmmm. Tell me, Jonah, why is it that you cannot stand being wrong?
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> > > > > > > > http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/for+want+of+a+better+word
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> > > > > > > > Here I have a photograph showing Spidey's innocence, and you just can't control yourself.
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> > > > > > > > --- In Phil-Sci-Mind at yahoogroups.com, "walto" <Philscimind@> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > ... where did I use "emerse?" I can't remember that one.
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> > > > > > > > > If you didn't have 47 sites, it would be easier to find them, certainly.  It was in one of your many priceless diary entries.
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> > > > > > > > Well you can't hold diary writing against me. It's typed in real time, on the bed, with an ipad, at night, with a beer, hustling to get to my netflix entertainment. 
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> > > > > > > > > > On the issue of want/wont, I'm not so sure here. 
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> > > > > > > > > > See: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/wont_1
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> > > > > > > > > > The sentence, "Our only case to date died by want of failure to climax," it means to say "died for lack of failure," which is a redundancy and, I believe, a southern sort of dialect. The wont you are thinking of is "the way that something usually occurs." 
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> > > > > > > > > You may not be sure, but I am.  Neither works in that context, I'm afraid.  I assumed you meant "by dint of failure..."  If you didn't, I guess it was just....well....empty noise, but, like the pulsation of a super-potent gland, I'm sure it still signifies intellectual greatness and Finch-like integrity.
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